Publicly or privately, via phone, email or face to face, let’s discuss the Scriptures.
What do they say concerning our very Hebrew Messiah, Yeshua, and how He says we should be walking? What are the traditions we have inherited that we need to shed in our return to God’s paths of righteousness and holiness?
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Hi Pete,I believe our mission of gathering all Israel is very time critical, and It is all about gathering Ephraim and the whole house of Israel. I believe there are six very specific days, for a war between the parties of the six nations that were unified in sanctioning of a seventh nation, Iran. Those six nations made a covenant with evil via the nuclear agreement. This nuclear agreement is about nothing less than the destruction of Israel. I believe this 7 headed beast faces 6 very specific days. From the 1st day of the 6th month 2016 (a Sunday), to the 6th day (Friday, 6th day of that week) of the 6th month (Elul), in the Hebrew year 577(6). The six nations are the 5 permanent nations of the UN Security: US, UK, France, Russia, China, plus a 6th nation, Germany. All these nations have nuclear weapons. Germany has highly advanced nukes owned and managed by the U.S. On 5/18/2010 (Shavuot 2010), sanctions were placed on Iran by a perfect unity among the P5 plus 1 nations. We countdown 2300 days from 5/18/2010 till we arrive at September 4, 2016. The Hebrew calendar will be at the 1st day of the 6th month, 5776. Our 6 days of reference will be to the 6th day, a Friday, or 6/6/6. The 6 days on the Gregorian calendar are September 4-9, 2016. The 2300 days came from Daniel 8. Thank you, Greg Raley 713-550-7728
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Date setting is not my specialty, so on this topic I’ll have to take a ‘wait and see’ approach. I do think we are in very interesting days prophetically and see the rising of the list tribes, critical to the fulfillment of all things… Interesting speculation…
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I was looking at 1 Corinthians 10 and I saw something that made me stop and take pause.
1 Corinthians 10:1 reads:
For I want you to know, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea.
It’s fairly well known that the the church in Corinth was a Greek port city that connected the Greek mainland with the Peloponnesian Peninsula. The vast majority of the church there were “Gentiles” and the concerns Paul writes about in these two letters clearly play this out.
Of note is that Paul calls these Gentiles “brothers”. Even more interesting is he also refers to the ancient Israelites in a peculiar way. We shouldn’t forget that these ancient Israelites were the group that came out of Egypt, who made a covenant with YHWH at Sinai, who were given the Law, of whom there was to be no difference between the sojourner and that natural born. So Paul says to the Corinthian Gentiles, that those ancient people were “OUR fathers”.
I can see no reason that Paul should link Gentile believers in Corinth to the “Jewish” (Israelite) forefathers if dispensationalism is true.
I gotta think I am missing something. Why our Christian separation between “the church” and “Israel” if Paul identifies ancient Israel with a collective “our fathers”?
Or is Paul using the word “our” in a way that is pointing, rather, to himself and his Jewish ancestry…as opposed being inclusive of the Gentiles? Seems odd that he should, considering he calls them “brothers” and then goes on to use the ancient Israelites as examples of how not to behave….which apparently the Corinthians were repeating to a certain degree.
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Glenn,
Shalom.
Good observation, and Paul does associate us with Israel and the collective ‘our fathers.’ Note that Stephen tells us in Acts 7:38 that the ‘church’ (ekklesia/kahal) was at Mt. Sinai. Paul in Romans 11 tells us we are grafted in and in Ephesians 2 that we are members of the commonwealth of Israel. He uses a technical term: politeia, previously blogged about here. The bottom-line is that Paul very much believes we are part of the restored Tent of David (Acts 15:15-18; Amos 9:11-12) that will see its fullness in the prophesied future Kingdom of Messiah, as seen in dozens of Tanak (OT) references, maybe most clearly in the unfulfilled Ezekiel 37:24-28.
Read on in I Corinthians and notice ‘us’ in verses 6,8, 9 and ‘our’ again in ’10.’ Our former President may question the definition of ‘is,’ but in this passage, we can rest assured that the definition of ‘us’ and ‘our’ is consistent throughout the 11 verses on this topic. But of course, that is in keeping with Malachi 4:4-6 wherein we learn that the Torah of Moses, including the statutes and ordinances, the as well as the spirit of Elijah precede the ‘coming great and terrible day of the Lord.’ And, the heart of the children (us) are turned back to the fathers, (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob).
A good teaching on dispensationalism and its errors, is: The Error of Dispensationalism.
Hope that helps… So much more to this topic, but the simple answer is, we are grafted in and adopted as children. New family with new parents.
Blessings.
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Blessings in Yeshua.
Thanks for the response.
The references to “us” and “our” in the remainder 1 Corinth 10 passage help our understanding for sure once we come to a Biblical understanding on the matter. These references though, if taken on their own, could be explained away as merely “us” “New Testament believers over here” being told by Paul not to do the bad things those ancient Israelites, did over there. Growing up I learned the Israelites were examples of how not to do things, and most any connection between ancient Israel and the church ended there.
The connection that “our fathers” (1 Corinth 10:1) makes, linking the Corinthian Gentiles to the Israelites is the home run for me, having been brought up in a very dispensationally-oriented denomination where all Scripture was filtered through Sperry Chafer’s “Systematic Theology” rather than allowing Scripture to actually define itself. It’s just such a great little zinger.
Anyways, this dispensational tradition of a completely separate thing between Israel and the church is what I seem to repeatedly butt heads with as my own family moves forward in a Hebraic understanding of our faith. The relevancy of the Law, what passages apply to New Testament believers, even the relevancy of Jesus words and what some of the apostles wrote are all filtered through this division. The thinking that God has set Israel aside since Jesus’ time and will deal with them once the church is raptured… pre-trib of course…must be the thickest part of the scales that need to fall from many eyes. When great swaths of the eternal word of God are brushed aside with two words” “That’s Jewish”, I know where I have to begin work on my apologetic.
Breaks my heart really.
Shalom to you and yours,
Glenn
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I think connecting is very important because those of us who have been shunned from main stream Christianity don’t seem to fit in any box. Especially us who came from a charismatic back ground that was filled with signs and wonders and prophecy and feel good itching words. I feel like this is a time of going back to the old paths and connecting the Torah and teachings of Yeshua to unravel and unwind the things we were fed that were false. Its such a more humble walk and one where our focus leaves building a church and trying to win souls, filling up mega buildings and boasting, to a great fear of the Lord Adonia and focusing on our families and personal salvation that we are to be walking out with Fear and Trembling. So many of us our seeing this Sabbath day rest that remains for Gods people and learning to love His ways and His light that can light up our path and show us the way to walk and how to love like we should,
I enjoy your post and always love seeing someone else who was involved in ministry trying to connect with like minded people who have been ostracized. With the holidays coming up and family doing Black Friday, streaming lights, dragging trees inside to decorate and shopping and so forth its always hard for those of us who are deemed legalistic and in bondage for throwing bread away or going camping for a week. We must keep encouraging each other and forget trying to impress or be in any spotlight. We must humble ourselves and pray that we are counted worthy to enter the Kingdom of the most High. Blessings to you and yours Pete. My husband and I enjoy your blogs and the praise music of James Bloc. Keep on keeping on.
Shabbat Shalom!
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Thank you, Bonnie, for your encouragement. It is an amazing time to be alive and see prophecy being fulfilled.
Keep up the good work and share the Gospel of the Kingdom.
Shabbat Shalom.
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The concept of the Oneness of God that was stressed by Moses according to Deuteronomy 6:4:
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.”
It was later repeated verbatim by Jesus according to Mark 12:29:
“…the first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.”
Yet most Christians have deviated from this concept and follow the vague and mysterious doctrine of Trinity. A doctrine that they support and defend by reciting Philippians 2:5-6, Colossians 2:8-9, and 1 Timothy 3:16.
Unfortunately, not one of these verses is what Jesus himself said. In fact, the only verse in the entire New Testament that appears to support the Trinity and is ascribed to him as well is Matthew 28:19, which says:
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”
However, baptism in the early church, as discussed by Paul in his Letters, was done only in the name of Jesus. Secondly, the “Great Commission” according to Mark 16:15 bears no mention of Father, Son and/or Holy Ghost. Therefore, it is questionable if Matthew 28:19 is an authentic saying of Jesus.
According to Philippians 2:5-6 Paul said:
“Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.”
Then according to Colossians 2:8-9 he said:
“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
And according to 1 Timothy 3:16 he said:
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
Undoubtedly, these verses identify Jesus as God. Yet they are a blatant contradiction of what Paul said according to 1 Corinthians 11:3:
“But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.”
According to the doctrine of Trinity the Godhead consists of three co-eternal and co-equal persons in one being. Yet Paul said “the head of Christ is God,” which can only mean that Christ and God are not co-eternal and co-equal since one is greater than the other.
Another way Paul contradicts himself is according to 1 Timothy 6:14-16 he said:
“…keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: who in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.”
We know that Paul is not speaking of Jesus revealing himself because Paul says that the one will be shown is an immortal being whom no man has seen or can see him. And that is because this being dwells in unapproachable Light.
The Christians believe that Jesus died for their sins. In fact, many believe that one cannot be a Christian unless he or she believes this. Therefore, he is not immortal. Furthermore, Jesus did not dwell in unapproachable light. Nor was he unable to be seen.
So far I have quoted Paul and not Jesus. But be not discouraged because there are statements that Jesus himself made. Although you’ll notice that not one of them supports the Trinity.
John 14:28 says, “… for my Father is greater than I.”
John 17:3 says, “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”
John 5:30 says, “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”
John 12:49-50 says, “For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 20:17 says, “…but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”
According to these five critically clear verses Jesus is not co-equal with God. He himself said that he was sent by the One true God and told what to say. He also said that he couldn’t do anything on his own. Nor does he seek to fulfill his own will. But the most incriminating verse is John 20:17. He told Mary Magdalene that the God of his brethren is his God.
This particular verse begs the question did the disciples believe that Jesus is God? A question that can be answered if you take the time to read the Bible. Specifically the fifth book of the New Testament. Which details the activity of the disciples after Jesus was lifted into heaven.
According to Acts 2:22, on the Day of Pentacost Peter stood up with the other eleven disciples and in his address to a small crowd that had overheard them speaking in other tongues he said:
“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know.”
Not one of the other disciples reprimanded Peter. A man who was an eyewitness to Jesus’ Transfiguration, command over a legion of demons, and power over death (see: Matthew 17:1-3; Mark 5:1-20; John 11:38-44). Yet who did not believe that he was a possessor of divinity. Just like they didn’t object when according to Acts 10:37-38 he said:
“That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.”
The other disciples obviously supported what Peter said about their teacher. And why wouldn’t they? All Judaea was aware that Jesus was anointed with the Holy Ghost and power by God. Which granted him the ability to heal all that were oppressed of the devil.
Of course, there were individuals who rejected Jesus. But those who were receptive to the Message he came with did not consider him to be a possessor of divinity. A fact that’s supported by Matthew 21:9-11. When Jesus was traveling through Jerusalem on a donkey:
“the multitude that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest. And when he was come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, Who is this? And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.”
And according to Luke 24:19 Jesus is:
“a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people.”
What is more critical is according to Matthew 13:57 when Jesus was faced with the disbelief of the people in his own country he said:
“…A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.”
Proof that a Prophet cannot be God is Deuteronomy 18:21-22. Moses told the people:
“And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously.”
What this means is a Prophet is a human being chosen by God to convey Divine Inspiration. He doesn’t speak in his own name because the Message he is to deliver is not from himself. And Jesus was no exception. According to John 7:15-16:
“The Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned? Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his who sent me.”
Thus, the disciples were simply teaching what they had learned from Jesus. That he is a righteous servant of God and a Prophet.
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Bryan,
Shalom and welcome. Thank you for taking the time to interact.
What you have written begins to break down in the very first sentence. You state,
The Hebrew says,
which literally says, Hear, O Israel: YHVH is our God, YHVH is One.
The immediate challenge to what you have written is that the Hebrew word for ‘one’ is not ‘yachid’ meaning ‘only one’ or ‘singular one’ as seen in Genesis 22:2, rather it is the word ‘echad’ as seen in Genesis 2:24, meaning ‘united one.’
Scripture is filled with connections between Yeshua and YHVH that far exceed His being ‘just a prophet.’ I did a ‘Who is…‘ series exploring this very issue. We have explored a number of angles including the Angel of the Lord passages, Jesus on Mt. Sinai, as well as the echad nature of the God of Jacob, etc…
While I have openly stated that I disagree with Christendom’s propensity to divide the echad nature of Yeshua and YHVH to the point that they can set Yeshua against God’s commandments, I have been equally clear that I believe Yeshua is more than a simple manifestation or emanation from God. Rabbi Itzhak Shapira has an excellent book that explores this topic titled, Return of the Kosher Pig. Highly recommended. Another good book is, Who Ate Lunch With Abraham?
I hope these help you in better understanding a very complex topic that we may not fully resolve on this side of the return of the Mashiach!
Shalom!
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