Last week I was pondering something interesting. “The law is spiritual, therefore, it can’t be done away with!”
I had determined to study and write about it, but you can tell by recent content that I have not had time to focus on writing some deeper posts. (I think that is working itself out..)
Then, last night, several interesting pieces suddenly came into focus!!
Our fellowship’s Wednesday evening Torah study group has been watching/working through Dr. Hollisa Alewine’s Creation Gospel video series. Our normal practice is to watch the whole video and then discuss. Well, in the middle of part 6a, a much shorter segment than most, Brother Dean turns to me and asks, ‘Uhmm, can we pause that?’
‘Sure! I was thinking the same thing!!’
As soon as I hit ‘pause,’ Sis Paulette exclaimed, ‘Wow! Thank you! I am just blown away…’ And, a spirited discussion began, leading to one of the longest Wednesday evening fellowships in recent memory!
Dr. Alewine was considering the significance of Yeshua, keeping His Father’s commandments, as ‘all things were created by Him and through Him,’ before day six, the creation of man. And, because the commandments define and reveal Him, the Living Word, they had to pre-exist creation!
It was at this point that fireworks went off in my head!! A dozen different things from the last couple weeks of reading and study suddenly converged!
I’m still processing, but let’s consider some parts of this!!
Revelation 13:8 says,
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been [a]written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.
in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
There are multiple other verses that help support our understanding that the redemption of God’s people occurred outside of time, though we experience it in time. Or, as the above verse explains, it happened before the world was created.
knowing that you were not [a]redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, 19 but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ. 20 For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared [b]in these last times for the sake of you
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
So we see multiple witnesses in Scripture evidencing that this transaction took place before time. Notice specifically in the last verse: ‘grace was given to us before time began!!’
Now, here is where it converges with my thoughts from last week.
Several major items to consider:
- In order for Yeshua to redeem us before the foundation of the world, the sin which He was the substitutionary atonement for had to have been identified. We know the definition of sin is breaking the Law, therefore, the Law/Torah HAD to exist before the foundation of the world!!
- Grace cannot exist in the absence of law, therefore, Paul in his letter to Timothy confirms the presence of Law/Torah ‘before time began’ when he says ‘grace was given to us before time began!!’
- ‘In the beginning was the Word,’ and Yeshua being the Living Word is revealed by the written Word/Torah, such that again we confirm the pre-existence of the Torah.
- Paul also says the Law is spiritual. That which is spiritual does not die. It may have a beginning, but I can’t think of an example of it having an end. (I’ll keep pondering this…)
The bottom-line is that the Torah and the grace given us in Messiah Yeshua were in place before the foundation of the world!!
Another item I read in the last several days concerning the High Priesthood connects with this as well. William Sanford, in his comments on Parsha Pekudei (accounts of) in the Messianic Aleph-Tav Scriptures, says,
We see that the priestly garments in Ex. 29:1 and the ephod in Ex. 39:2 are sacred and they are made for Ta to wear as Aaron stands in His stead as High Priest to serve hwhy Father….
Because Abraham paid a tithe to Melchitzedek, Levi/Aaron were subservient to that High Priest before they were born and therefore, Aaron’s High Priesthood was always a simple placeholder! Why? Our High Priest had acted on our behalf before time began!!
Therefore, the Torah/Law, the basis for Messiah’s obedience, that which existed before time and reveals Him and His righteousness IN time, cannot be abolished, abrogated, annulled or done away with. In fact, it cannot even be diminished!!
But why would we want to? Scripture says,
Adonai was pleased, for his righteousness’ sake,
to make the Torah great and glorious.
And,
Now it will come about that
In the last days
The mountain of the house of the Lord
Will be established [a]as the chief of the mountains,
And will be raised above the hills;
And all the nations will stream to it.
3 And many peoples will come and say,
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
That He may teach us [b]concerning His ways
And that we may walk in His paths.”
For the [c]law/TORAH will go forth from Zion
And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
4 And He will judge between the nations,
And will [d]render decisions for many peoples;
And they will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not lift up sword against nation,
And never again will they learn war.5 Come, house of Jacob, and let us walk in the light of the Lord.
Dear brothers and sisters, the Torah stands. It was standing before Yahweh said, ‘Light BE!’ It will be standing after Revelation 22:21!
Just something to marinate in!!
(If this has blessed or encouraged you, please consider sharing it!!)
Shalom!
natsab 
According to the sermons I keep hearing. Jesus should be in Hell for being a legalist.
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LOL!
Yeah… Methinks the antinomians are going to have a rude awakening.
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Weaping and Gnashing of teeth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Pete I you my brother! This battle is so fierce ! How good it feels when I’m reminded I fight not alone
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There are many voices crying in the wilderness… But good when we can support and encourage each other. Just having people read and comment is an encouragement to me! Blessings from our Father!
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High again Brother Pete Dude I am really starting to like you. I don’t have a real strong mind, but now that I have got the hang of how Fathers Kingdom works It is astonishing the amount of Revelation He gives. I just ask and He reveals. Brother do you know whats about to happen as far as the battle of Har Meggido?
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Bill Saulus wrote a book titled Israelistine (if I remember the details correctly) and it is about the Psalm 83 war that nobody talks about… Explains there is a difference in that one and har Meggido. I don’t know.
The point is that har Meggido may not be until the end of the Millennial Kingdom… Either way, that region is boiling and sooner or later will spill over. The blood moons do not portent well.
Course, you are probably familiar with Madam Blavatsky/Albert Pike letters exchanged that allegedly called for three world wars with the third starting in and being about Israel and the Muslims… Seems we are right on track.
Also, I don’t see the US anywhere in prophecy, unless the red, white and blue of Rev. 17/18 refers to her. In either case, not good. And, that table has been set as well. This nation is a mere shell of what it was 30 or 50 years ago.
All interesting. I’m taking a ‘wait and see’ approach while contending for souls.
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Yes which is why Hebrews and Galatians say Abraham received the gospel…it isn’t new. It has always been!
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Of course. There is nothing NEW under the sun! When the scales fall of we see the Gospel from Gen to Rev. Praises to the Father through the son!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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and Yes! There is nothing new under the sun. I am beginning to see that the more and more. Amazing.
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Amen. Awesome insights! Hearty thanks for sharing this.
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Certainly, it was very exciting considering this. I have a few more thoughts on it that may congeal i the next few days for a followup post…
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I’d just like to say thanks Pete. After finding your website and testing it to the scriptures, I am amazed at the connections made throughout the bible relating to or about something deeper. I am a christian and your lessons have helped me a great deal in grasping the word. From Genesis to Revelation and how beautifully and mysteriously it was given to us. Studying the Bible and Torah always reveals something new, a little more, a connection with other scriptures. It is the story of Jesus over, and over, again, and again.
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Thank you Lee, and Welcome!
I am humbled. Our Father has been showing me so much over the last couple years that often it is drinking from a firehose! I pray you not be overwhelmed, and that you NOT take my word for it, but will be a Berean and see for yourself!
Shalom!
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Very interesting. Great points!
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This is good!
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Hallelu Yah!!! I was going to write an article about the pre-existent Word (which equals the pre-existent Torah), but you have already done it, and far better than I could have! Your statement, “Grace cannot exist in the absence of law…” just blew me away – the concept is plain as the nose on my face, but I had missed it anyway. It is glorious how Father gives different insights to different children, so that when we compare notes, only then we begin to grasp the whole picture. It really brings the family together. 🙂 I will definitely reblog this article. Thank you, Pete! Well done!
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Reblogged this on The Lamb's Servant and commented:
I had seriously considered writing an article about the Pre-Existent Word and the Pre-existent Torah, but Pete Rambo has already done an excellent job of introducing the subject. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it! I hope you will give Pete’s article a serious reading and use it as a launch pad for the Holy Spirit to open your understanding on the topics broached here. Good stuff!
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Thank you so much for the re-blog. It is funny what we can learn and forget… Your article this morning prompted me to go back in my archives to dig this article up and re-read for my own benefit. I wrote it and yet am sometimes amazed, reading my own stuff at new insights… Funny.
Pondering this further, in your article on the evidence of Torah in Genesis you mention Noach who ‘found grace in the eyes of the Lord.’ How did I not connect that earlier with the statement I made ‘grace cannot exist in the absence of Law?’ I.e., The Torah HAD to exist for Noah to find grace!
This stuff is so easy, it is child’s play, yet our Father can hide it for generations until His appointed time to understand. Wow!!
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